Alexander and Arius: The Trinity Controversy

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Despite the Church’s doctrine holding that the Trinity was three equal entities making one fully divine being, Arius took an alternative view of the subject. Arius asserted that God was the almighty, and therefore his son Jesus was “subordinate to or less than the Father” (Lynch 164). After much theological study and reflection, Arius concluded that “(God) alone has neither equal nor like, none comparable in glory,” and hence, “God exists ineffable to the Son” (Ehrman 36-37). Though Arius still believed that Jesus was to be fully revered and even should be called God, he nonetheless held firm that the Son could be considered equal to his creator father. Further, Arius contended that “the Son was a created being who was neither eternal nor equal to the divine” (Lynch 164).

Arius’ subordination of Jesus to God caused much controversy in Alexandria, and Bishop Alexander issued a harsh rebuttal to Arius’ dissenting opinions. Initially, he and a council of bishops decided to ban Arius and his followers from receiving communion as punishment for their lack of obedience (Lynch 164). Then, in a letter, Bishop Alexander further articulated the doctrine of the Trinity, reemphasizing the position that it was three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, in one God. What is perhaps most striking about his letter is his portrayal of any dissenters, including Arius, as being “devious and deranged; they are divisive, mischievous, deceitful…and embedded in a chain of heretical predecessors” (Ehrman 38). Alexander restates Arius’ position that “they (he and his followers) deny the divinity of our Savior and proclaim that he is equal to all humans” (38). He then accuses them of distorting the tradition by only focusing on select verses in order to allow the scripture to fit their own agenda. Many dissenting theologians have been accused in a similar manner, as orthodox followers believed heretics did not embrace the whole tradition. By virtue of this, Alexander is essentially attacking the person rather than the issue at hand.

Additionally, Alexander slanders Arius’ notion that “we can become Sons of God just like he did” (39). Alexander insists that this passage from Isaiah is taken out of context and must not be interpreted apart from the rest of the scriptures. Alexander says that his position Jesus is both fully human and fully divine is inarguably defended by the scriptures. Arius’ belief that Jesus was human and therefore mutable is challenged by Alexander, as while he acknowledges Jesus’ humanity, he nonetheless asserts that he is immutable and unchangeable. Due to the fact that he is “the accurate and precise image of the Father,” he therefore must be fully divine (43). Alexander holds all orthodox belief to be ultimate and uncompromising truth, and in order to assert his position, he chooses to both slander his opposition and use scriptural interpretation to defend his views on the Trinity.

 

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  1. UNDERSTANDING THE TRINITARIAN NATURE OF GOD IS TO SIMPLE MINDS DIFFICULT TO COMPREHEND I PITY THOSE WHO DOUBT OR CONTEST THE TRIUNE NATURE OF GOD. LET ME REMIND THEM THE PASSAGE OF GENESIS WHEN GOD WAS ABOUT TO CREATE HUMAN KIND GOD SAID LET US MAKE MAN TO THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD. IF GOD WAS ONE BEING THEN GOD WOULD NOT HAVE STATED LET US US. AND THEN AGAIN JESUS PROCLAIMED “BAPTISING THEM INT HE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT” THE BIBLE IS FULL OF OCCASSIONS OF REFERENCE TO THE TRINITARIAN NATURE OF GOD. TO UNDERSTAND THE TRINITY IS VERY SIMPLE. GOD IN THE HEAVENS DECIDED TO COME TO EARTH AND HOW ELSE COULD HE COME TO DWELL AMONG HUMANITY EXCEPT INT HE TRINITARIAN NATURE. SO GOD BECAME MAN BECAME INCARNATE THUS GOD IS HUMAN GOD IS SPIRIT IN THE PRESENCE OF TONGUES OF FIRE OFTEN REFERRED TO AS THE HOLY SPIRIT. MUSLIMS CLAIM THAT GOD IS ONE SURE GOD IS ONE AND WE SUBSCRIBE TO THIS CONCEPT OF GOD. IS ISLAM TRUE AND REAL AND OF GOD. ONE WOULD ARGUE IF GOD REVEALED GODS NATURE WOULD GOD REVEAL HIS NATURE TO RESULT IN THE FORMATION OF ANOTHER RELIGION IN THE NATURE OF ISLAM COULD THIS RELIGION BE THE ONE JESUS SPOKE OF THAT MANY WILL COME AFTER ME PROCLAIMING THAT THEY POSSESS THE TRUTH AND EVEN WORKD MIRACLES IS ISLAM THE TRUTH ONE WONDERS IS ISLAM OF SATAN ONE COULD CAUSE DOUBT ON THIS BUT THE ARRIVAL OF JESUS WAS PROPHESIED BUT MUHAMMADS ARRIVAL WAS NOT PROPHESICIED AT ALL ANY WHERE INT HE OLD TESTAMENT UNLIKE JESUS WHO WAS FORETOLD MANY A TIME. IT WOULD TAKE AN AVALANCHE TO CONVERT THEMUSLIMS TO THE CHRISTIAN FAITH THE TRUE FAITH. WE ALL AWAIT FOR THIS DAY AND IT WILL SURELY COME WHEN THELAMB SHALL SIT BY THE LION AND ALLOF HUMANITY WILL LIVE IN PEACE ANDHARMONY

    • One can only be saddened by the post by Milroy Martyn. 1Co 14:33 clearly states, “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” Milroy Martyn says, “understanding the trinitarian nature of God is to simple minds difficult to comprehend.” To ask 12 people to define the trinity is to elucidate 24 different definitions. Why? Because the doctrine is contrary to clear Bible teaching. Arius also taught a doctrine that was contrary to Scripture. Milroy Martyn has referred to Genesis 1:26 and by so doing has declared his lack of comprehension of the fundamental teaching of the Bible, that is the way The Eternal Spirit has chosen to reveal Himself, firstly in His name, given in Isaiah 42:8, “I am Yahweh: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.” and Exodus 3:15, where the name an purpose (in His memorial) of The Eternal Spirit is given. 
      Exo 3:15  And Elohim said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Yahweh Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. 
      Yahweh is His Name and His memorial is “He Will Be revealed in a multitude of Mighty Ones of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. That this is correct when the Lord confirmed this in Mar 12:24  And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? 
      Mar 12:25  For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. 
      Mar 12:26  And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? 
      Mar 12:27  He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
      What was the Scriptures that the Sadducees did not know?
      It was Genesis 1:26. This verse teaches – is prophetic of the work of Christ. We know this because Psalm 8, which is a divine commentary given by King David tells us so. Further King David tells us in verse 5 that the , “us” and “our” in Genesis 1:26 are angels. This fact is confirmed in Psa 103:20. “Bless Yahweh, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.”.
      The book of Hebrews in the second chapter confirms what King David says in Psalm 8:5 by referring to it and confirming that Genesis 1:26 refers to angels.
      Heb. 2:5  For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 
      Heb. 2:6  But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 
      Heb. 2:7  Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 
      Heb. 2:8  Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 
      Heb. 2:9  But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.  
      One of the key issues that is overlooked is having a clear understanding of the Name of The Eternal Spirit and the titles that are used to show how He will reveal Himself. So the name Jesus, or more correctly, Yahshua is comprised of two Hebrew words, Yah, “He Who Will Be” (revealed) shua – a Saviour. What we are told in that name is that Yahweh, The Eternal Spirit, was revealed in a saviour.
      When the councils from which the creeds were developed are examined, and this took place over 100 years from 325AD the total confusion that was revealed in these councils has extended to the present day and regrettably shows a complete lack of understanding of Bible fundamentals.

      • Why not ask Jesus directly if he was God? Oh wait, they did. You can read his answer inJohn 10:34.
        You may also want to read verses lime John 17:3 and 7:16 with a littlebit more care. Take off your 2000 year old lense of doctrine.
        Also you may want to reread , in thecsame manner, all the God Himself says in all of the old testament. No reference to his son who is a god. The concept son of god has jewush spiritual meaning, and means like friend or blessed by god.

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    • For 1 when God said let us make man he was not speaking to some 2nd person in a trinity. Mal 2.10 says have we not all I Father ? Had not 1 God created us?. Isaiah 44.24 says God created all things alone and by himself,no one counsel with him and no one was with him he was alone and by himself. The bible speaks of God counseling with his own will. It also says that he had regard for the angels not that they took part in creation but was advised of his plan. Matthew 28.19 3 titles of 1 name father is not God’s name Son is not God’s name God is Holy and God is Soirit but HolySpirit is not God’s name. Acts 4.12 says there is only one name by which we must be saved. No baptism or anything at all was said or done in the names Father Son and Holyghost. It was all done in the name of Jesus Christ or the Lord Jesus. Acts 2.38 acts 19.5.6 acts 10.45. God dwas manifested in the flesh 1 tim 3.16 but God is not flesh. Jesus said as myself I can do nothing. He also said I van do nothing of myself it is the Father that dwells in me he does the works. So as a man he could do nothing and as a man he said the Father is greater then I. So how then can we say the Son of God is eternal of he could do not works and was lesser then the Father? I tought they were co equal the same ? But no the flesh the humanity was not.

    • The expression in genesis “Let us make man in our image,was talking to his son Jesus Christ,not to anybody else.
      Why?
      In John 1:2,3 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.

      And this is true because in the book of proverbs
      8:22 says Jehovah framed me first in line, foremost of his works in the past
      39 I was master-workman at his side…

      The Holy Spirit it’s not a person but the might power of God.
      The Hebrew word for Spirit is “Rouah”and means
      “Wind”
      Jerusalem Catholic Bible says in Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was a formless void, there was darkness over the deep, with a DIVINE *WIND sweeping over the waters.

      *Defiantly the wind it’s not a person.
      Question
      From where then sprang the dogma of Thrinity?

      According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467

      The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126

      Isaiah 43:10 I have chosen, in order that you may know and trust to me and understand that I am the one: no deity was shaped before me, and after me there will not be any.

      Byington Bible translation

    • If it’s so simple why did it take 5 centuries for the founding fathers of the catholic church and others to figure out something that is not even in the bible. The trinity doctrine is like the evolution theory, it’s all conjecture not based on reality. Look up psalms 83;18 for a start. Thousands of people were put to death over satan’s lies

    • God created angels and other heavenly beings before He created man, father son and Holy spirit are not names but positions just like you can be a sister a wife and a mom…Read isaiah 9:6 to understand better,revelation 5 says that there was no one in heaven and on earth that could open the scroll, if Jesus was in existence then, He was surely going to be worthy to open the scroll but He wasn’t…it was God almighty Himself that came out as the lamb and went for us, Jesus was God most high in flesh. You should note that God does not share His glory…isaiah 9:6 says His name shall be called wonderful, counsellor, MIGHTY GOD…I pray God opens your eyes more

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      Очевидно, что у технического персонала “неукротимых львов” действительно были проблемы с Михаэлем Нгадеу. Защитник бельгийского “Каа Гент”, которого без официальной причины отстранили от участия в чемпионате мира 2022 года, только что был снова оставлен в стороне Ригобертом Сонгом. В то время как штрафной Энцо Эбоссе, получивший травму в матче с “Удинезе”, намекнул на возможное возвращение автора победного голевого паса Блиды. Что Ненни ! Даже 39 матчей, сыгранных в этом сезоне, не убедили тренера.По итогам своего сезона в Греции (17 игр, 1 гол в чемпионате) Гарольд Мукуди вновь обрел уверенность после ухода из Сент-Этьена, где он стал нежелательным. Его клуб в настоящее время занимает второе место в Суперлиге. АЕК имеет право на участие в турнире, который определит чемпиона. 25-летний защитник снова может получить свой шанс, получив предложение Энцо Эбоссе. Даже если это произойдет с Николасом Нкулу.

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    • The Arian Christology has evidence against its dismantling its credibility. I will have to agree to disagree.

      • That was from one deranged man who set out on the whole “made in the brew” concept.. Hitler was nuts.. he was Jewish born looked like one and hated them because of what he seen happening to his country.. that is a different form of arianism.. like a branch of Christianity.. of the sort..

  2. Whether only stating “our” or stating twice in one verse i.e “let “us” make man in “our” image”.
    The text is undeniable that the ancient writing is telling us more than what the church or any theologian has delved into within the past 1,000 years.. the fact that the universe is MUCH older than even the first recorded writings.. it speaks volumes for the naivety of man…

  3. Or the fact that maybe “man” as a whole is too afraid to face.. something “physical” that is greater than itself.. maybe that is what the truth about it all is?!? Only God knows.. maybe he won a bet older than time itself..

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